Please revisit this topic with me...(long)

Reese777

Cathlete
Hello Everyone,

I've not posted a lot, but I've been visiting here for over a year now. I've been having issues with weight gain since 2005 - I lost several pounds in 05 and went down to around 140 -felt terrific, then gained back all of what I lost plus about 15 more pounds. So, as of today, I've gone from a size 10 to a 14/16. Needless to say, I'm generally miserable, and bordering on despair at times because I can't fit into any of my clothes. (I really had no idea how much of my confidence I pulled from my appearance - but lately I've been feeling like crap because I think I look lousy - so it's not helping much!)

One aspect of my frustration is, in 2005, when I lost about 12 pounds I did it with pretty much just cardio. I ran 30 minutes in the morning and evening for about a month - coupled with totally going cold turkey on sugar - no eating or drinking it. Anyway - I've been trying various workout routines, but I don't see results at all. Matter of fact, I'm putting weight on even with just cardio and I am ready to shriek! I can't decide if I need to just up the cardio more, or go back to cardio and weights or just go to weights. I am nearly 40 years old, and I'm starting to think that I need more weights and less cardio.

So, that is the topic I'd like everyone's input on. As women get older, I know they start to lose muscle mass, which lowers their metabolism, so that's why I'm leaning toward this. Not to mention, the excessive running on the treadmill is tearing up my feet and lower back. :(

I've seriously been tempted lately to sell all of my old clothes on ebay because I just feel like it's hopeless. Sorry for being a whiney butt, but it seems like nothing works! I could really use some positive input here so I don't go OD on chocolate and take out. :( waaaaa! HELP ME!

signed,
whiney butt
 
Step away from the chocolate, whiny butt! (OK, maybe sneak one piece}( )

2 things I can think of: How is your thyroid? Have you had any bloodwork done recently? I would look there. Also, I think you would see improved benefits if you added weight training to your cardio wo's. Weights build muscle which continually burns fat and calories, as opposed to just while you are working out with cardio.

Those are just my thoughts, I'm sure you will get others that will be helpful!

Best of luck to you!
 
Dear Whiny Butt,

;-)

Seriously, it's hard but try, try, try not to get upset. I turned 40 in December and know full well I need to be careful what I do with my workouts as well as my eating.

I'll tell you what I've been doing, which in all honesty isn't much, but that has resulted in a very slow, very steady weight loss of a pound a month.

That doesn't seem like much when you feel like you've got to lose a number of pounds but I've been doing this for the last 16 or 17 months so... it adds up!

My life is incredibly hectic so I don't keep to any kind of actual workout routine - I wish I could but it just doesn't happen. Sometimes I can get 4 workouts a week in but sometimes I don't do any, sometimes I stretch.

I suffered through Tosca (see every comment Beavs ever made about her and that's about how I feel) and I bought BFFM. Without ever getting serious I just changed up what I did for eating.

So I have about 4 meals (sometimes 5) a day of roughly 300-400 calories each, always with a protein - either protein powder, egg whites, chicken, cheese stick, nonfat cottage cheese, etc.

I always have a treat, I often have one teeny beverage of the adult type (2 oz.).

I don't feel sad or deprived, the weight comes off (especially around the belly).

Also, I drink plenty of water, and take vitamins and fiber.

I hope this helps you a little. Sorry to be so long winded. Take care.
 
I've backslid terribly lately, but when I lost a lot of weight last year and really was happy with my body was when I cleaned up my diet as much as I could handle. Not totally clean, by any means. I still had my wine at night and I ate a TON of strawberries and a piece of angel food cake every single night for dessert. I'm not about to give up dessert. My workouts consisted of weight training about five or six times per week and cardio two or three times per week. I tried to do yoga on my off day. I also drank at least 64 ounces of water per day (often more like 80 oz) and I added fiber to my water with a total fiber intake of about 35g per day (is it grams or mg? Not sure...). And I ate a protein bar every day for lunch, with milk, which gave me extra protein. Man, I hope I can get back to that regimen one day! It worked SOOOO well!

ETA: i also kept a journal --writing down the date, my weight that morning, everything I ate, how much water I consumed that day and what workout I did and for how long. That way, I could see which weeks got the best results. Sounds obsessive, but it kept me totally organized.
 
About a month ago, I think I typed in a section from David Zinczenko's book The Abs Diet for Women. It's here somewhere but It would take forever for me to find it so I'm reprinting it here for you. I'll be 47 on 3/31 and I'm at my lowest weight (173) in ages. I did it by cutting my cardio down to nearly nothing and making weight training my number one priority. And I did it after reading this excerpt. Hope this helps:
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Changing the Way You Exercise
by David Zinczenko (The Abs Diet for Women)

Have you ever seen a gym at rush hour? Everyone hovers around the treadmills, elliptical trainers, and stationary bikes. Signs warn you of 20-minute maximums so that the next sweat seeker can have his or her turn. It seems like everyone wants a cardiovascular, aerobic workout. The more you sweat, the more calories you burn, the more weight you lose, right? In a way, yes, the headphone-and-Lycra set is right. Cardiovascular exercise – steady-state endurance exercises, like running, biking, and swimming – burns a lot of calories. In fact, it often burns more than other forms of exercise like strength training or trendier workouts like yoga or Pilates. But when it comes to weight control, aerobic exercise is more overrated than the fall TV lineup. Why? For one reason: Aerobic exercise builds little (if any) muscle, and muscle is the key component of a speedy metabolism. Muscle eats fat; again, add 1 pound of muscle, and your body burns up to an additional 50 calories a day just to keep that muscle alive. Add 6 pounds of muscle, and suddenly you’re burning up to 300 more calories each day just by sitting still.

Here’s the problem with low-intensity aerobic exercise. Just like a car can’t run without gas or a kite can’t fly without wind, a body can’t function without food. It’s the fuel that helps you run, lift, and have sex. Generally, during exercise, your body calls upon glycogen (the stored form of carbohydrate in muscles and the liver), fat, and in some cases protein. When you’re doing low-intensity aerobic exercise like jogging, your body primarily uses fat and glycogen (carbohydrates) for fuel. When it continues at longer periods (20 minutes or more), your body drifts into depletion: You exhaust your first-tier energy sources (your glycogen stores), and your body hunts around for the easiest source of energy it can find – protein. Your body actually begins to eat up muscle tissue, converting the protein stored in your muscles into energy you need to keep going. Once your body reaches that plateau, it burns up 5 to 6 grams of protein for every 30 minutes of ongoing exercise. (That’s roughly the amount of protein you’ll find in a hard-cooked egg.) By burning protein, you’re not only missing an opportunity to burn fat but also losing all-important and powerful muscle. So aerobic exercise actually decreases muscle mass. Decreased muscle mass ultimately slows down your matabolism, making it easier for you to gain weight.

Now here’s an even more shocking fact: When early studies compared cardiovascular exercise to weight training, researchers learned that people who engaged in aerobic activities burned more calories during aerobic exercise than those who tossed around iron. You’d assume, then, that aerobic exercise was the way to go. But that’s not the end of the story.

It turns out that while lifters didn’t burn as many calories during their workouts as the folks who ran or biked, they burned far more calories over the course of the next several hours. This phenomenon is known as the afterburn – the additional calories your body burns off in the hours and days after a workout. When researchers looked at the metabolic increases after exercise, they found that the increased metabolic effect of aerobics lasted only 30 to 60 minutes. The effects of weight training lasted as long as 48 hours. That’s 48 hours during which the body was burning additional fat. Over the long term, both groups lost weight, but those who practiced strength training lost only fat, while the runners and bikers lost muscle mass as well. The message: Aerobic exercise essentially burns only at the time of the workout. Strength training burns calories long after you leave the gym, while you sleep, and maybe all the way until your next workout. Plus, the extra muscle you build through strength training means that in the long term, your body keeps burning calories at rest just to keep that new muscle alive.

That raises a question. What aspect of strength training creates the long afterburn? Most likely, it’s the process of muscle repair. Weight lifting causes your muscle tissues to break down and rebuild themselves at a higher rate than normal. Muscles are always breaking down and breakdown and rebuilding takes a lot of energy and could be what accounts for the long period of calorie burning. In fact, a Finnish study found that protein synthesis (the process that builds bigger muscles) increases 21 percent 3 hours after a workout.

The good news is that you don’t have to lift like a Russian shot-putter to see the results. A recent Ohio University study found that a short but hard workout had the same effect as longer workouts. Using a circuit of three exercises in a row for 31 minutes, the subjects were still burning more calories than normal 38 hours after the workout. (The Abs Diet Workout is designed along similar principles to mimic these results.)

As I said earlier, building muscle increases your metabolism so much that you burn up to 50 calories per day per pound of muscle you have. The more muscle you have, the easier it is for you to lose fat. That’s why one of the components of the plan includes an exercise program that will help you add the muscle you need to burn fat and reshape your body. And it also points to one of the reasons why you should deemphasize cardiovascular, aerobic exercise if you want to lose fat: because it depletes you body’s store of fat-burning muscle.

Now, before you start thinking I’m some sort of antiaerobics fanatic, let me clarify a few things: I run almost daily, and I’ve even completed the New York City Marathon. Aerobic exercise burns calories, helps control stress, and improves your cariovascular fitness. It also helps lower blood pressure and improve your cholesterol profile. If your choice is aerobic exercise or no exercise, for Pete’s sake, get out there and run. But when it comes to long-term weight management, I’ll take gym iron over road rubber any day.
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Now, I don't follow the weight training plan in his book because I do Cathe weight training dvds (can't wait for STS!!!) but the facts about weight training apply regardless.

Don't despair. You just need to rethink your approach and get serious about pumping iron. At first, I just did the 3-day split Gym Style workouts with one of the Core Max routines each week. Got solid results just doing that, though I've excellerated my results since adding one additional leg workout (the Legs part of Butts & Gutts) and increasing my core workouts from one to three times per week (Core Max 1 & 2 and the Gutts part of B&G), which I began doing as an antidote to back pain. And I'm about to change it up again. Try emphasizing weight training (really push it) and you'll be amazed at how fast you can get into your smaller clothes again. Keep us posted and good luck.
 
Hi Reese,

I truly believe that how you eat affects your weight much more than exercise. Don't get me wrong, exercise is very important, however I can exercise night and day and still gain fat if I don't eat right.

I highly recommend the book "Eat to Live", by Dr. Joel Fuhrman. I will warn you in advance -- it definitely is not for everyone. I have implemented Dr. Fuhrman's Eat to Live plan in my life and not only have I gotten to my 'ideal' weight, but I feel healthier and happier than I ever have in my life. My husband has also changed to Dr. Fuhrman's recommended diet and weight is dropping off of him rapidly -- he does still have beer and wine a few times per week. This diet is the diet I plan to follow for the rest of my life. Some consider the diet extreme, and even if you don't decide to follow his plan it is very interesting reading. He is about to release a book called 'Eat for Health', which will present a less extreme way to ease into his recommended diet.

As always, you will get lots of good advice from the friendly folks on this message board.

Sincerely,
Monica
 
Reese,

Some tips from a 40 year old who struggled and took it off and keeps it off (more-or-less).

a. Weights are a 40yish woman's best friend. Just 3 times per week, one hour per session is good enough for my body. If you are like me, and dont like food, the advantage of building muscle is that it will raise your metabolism.

b. My days of eating whatever I want and expecting not to gain are well and truly over. I had to accept this. As you age and get more fit, yo-yo-ing because of eating makes weight management tougher. Weight you gain is harder and harder to lose versus the first weight loss. The first weight loss shocked your body that was probably used to sedentary existance. Now that you are fit, weight takes longer to come off (unless you are a lucky girl and have not weight trained in a long while, in which case you may see encouraging pace of weight loss with weight training) since the exercsie is something your body is used to.

c. Losing fast is a bad thing. If you lose more than 2 pounds a week, chances are you are using a technique that is not long term sustainable. The average person's will power can hold out for something extreme only so long, then the old habits come back, often with a vengeance. The weight piles back on. Steady weight loss needs patience, but you are more liley to be able to follow the routine you are using life-long, and therefore maintain your weight loss.

d. At around 40 it is more about food. You have to clean up your eating. A great investment for the rest of your life is to learn how to make tasty but healthy foods. I had to learn how to cook without as much fat and without refined carbs. I eat a diet which does not leave me hungry/deprived and tastes really good to me. All I need is will power for is to resist junk food, which is easier when your normal eating is satisfying.

e. Food selection that works for me
My no-no list:
Refined carbs (white flour, white rice, sugar)
Highly processed food (cookies, packaged soups, breakfast cereal)
Trans fat
Alcohol and soda or drinks with added sugar

My moderation list:
All fats especially saturated fat
Starchy veggies like potatoes in large servings
Nuts (I eat them everyday but I literally count the serving)

Stuff I eat mainly:
Protein (I am vegetarian and rely on soy, non-fat dairy products, lentils, beans)
Whole carbs (brown rice, whole wheat, oatmeal et al)
Veggies
Fruit
Lots of water
I try to get some of all that (except fruit which I use as stand alone snacks) at each meal.

I eat food that is steamed, grilled versus fried and get dressing for my salad on the side of the low fat variety - that takes care of moderating fats.

I eat an occasional treat from my no-no list (one controlled portion size, once a week or so). You can experiment to see how much your body can take and still lose/maintain weight.

f. I keep a food, exercise and weight dairy. I weigh myself almost everyday. It keeps me honest with my eating and lets me know if my treats are getting out of hand. I also log what I ate for each meal/snack including rough portion sizes. I log exercises generally (not how much weight lifted and for how long but just
"weight training lower body for 1 hr") It takes me less than 10 min a day and gives me great trend data to see what works best for me.

g. Eat a good breakfast. I have always been at my fattest when I skipped breakfast habitually, or ate a fruit and called that breakfast. I get so ravenous by lunch my brain is incapable of controlling portion sizes or veto-ing junk food. I also have less will power to say no to sweetened beverages and cookies at office meetings in the mid morning.

HTH. Good luck.

~* Vrinda *~
 
Yep. I totally agree about the eating and being in your 40s. It's PRIMARILY weight training and clean eating (about 80%) that's resulting in MY big changes - and I'm getting ready to clean up my eating to more like 85-90%. The food issue, for me, has been more of a PLANNING thing. Whenever I'm running late for work it means I'm short on lunch-packing time. I'm working at putting together a plan and being better prepared so I can pull this off. Also, try to get more water and stay away from diet sodas. I swear, those things make you hungry. And though few agree, I DO agree with Vrinda, weighing myself daily has kept ME honest. Just don't freak out because you've gone up 2.5 pounds overnight. Happens all the time. Where you know you're in trouble is when you don't come back down over a period of 5-7 days. At that point, instead of getting down on yourself, just step back and analyze what you're doing. Chances are, you'll realize you probably need to clean up your eating a bit more. I started out weighing food and journaling and have gotten away from that because I've found that by eating clean and getting protein every 2-3 hours my appetite self-regulates. In other words, I'm not sneaking snacks because I'm eating as I'm supposed to so I'm just not hungry. But journaling DID help me see I was putting waaaaaay too much cereal in my bowl...

All the responses you're getting are, in my experience, on the money.
 
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>a. Weights are a 40yish woman's best friend. Just 3 times per
>week, one hour per session is good enough for my body. If you
>are like me, and dont like food, the advantage of building
>muscle is that it will raise your metabolism.
>

Typo...

that should have read "If you are like me and LOVES food..."
 
>And though few agree, I DO agree with Vrinda, weighing myself
>daily has kept ME honest. Just don't freak out because you've
>gone up 2.5 pounds overnight. Happens all the time. Where
>you know you're in trouble is when you don't come back down
>over a period of 5-7 days. At that point, instead of getting
>down on yourself, just step back and analyze what you're
>doing. Chances are, you'll realize you probably need to clean
>up your eating a bit more.

:) I sooo agree. Over time, if you keep up with the weighing, you realize that fluctuations are not a concern if they disappear in a day or two.

I weigh about 2 to 3 pounds more a few days before my period, all the way to the end of my period.

If I eat too much salt or dont drink enough water, or eat carbs late at night, I retain water and weigh upto 2 pounds more the next day. But this is just temporary weight gain and flushes out in a day or two.

~* Vrinda *~
 
I have to agree with those who say you MUST clean up your eating - exercise is not enough. Weight Watchers is a good plan - they teach you how to lose and how to keep it off.
 
Ditto to everything said, plus: eating more protein is helping me immensely. I'm a vegetarian also, and probably only got 40-50 grams a day before. I've upped that to about 80-90, and have seen a HUGE decrease in my chocolate cravings. I mean, to almost 0, nada, zip.

I used to have chocolate every day, and to be honest, it probably added up to 300 calories, over the course of a day. Yesterday, I had *one* Dove Promises. Just one, 50 calories. I've been doing this almost 2 weeks, and I'm down a pound. (That's good for me, I'm at 135 now, with 10 to go)
 
I"m 47, and I have had to except the fact that no matter how hard I workout be it cardio or weights if I do not watch what I put in my mouth I gain weight. This wasn't always true for me and its been a hard lesson to learn. Until a few years ago I could increase the exercise and lose the weight, doesn't happen anymore and I refuse to spend all my time exercising so I'm going back to measuring and journaling my food intake.
 

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