Joint rubbing noises= Old Age?

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manipool

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On the Muscle Endurance workout sometimes I train the upper body and do the exercises for only that area. When I do the lifts for the standing rotation presses, front and side raises and side lateral raises (seated) I think I can hear or feel the joints in my shoulders rubbing against each other. (no pain) I also feel what I think is the rotator cuff pinching. There is a slight twinge of pain.

Should I stop, modify or just push through and things should improve as I build strength? I'm also taking glucosamine chondrotin to build up the cartilage in both my shoulders and knees.

A question, on rear delt raises should I feel warmth in the upper shoulder and neck area?

Thanks!x(
 
RE: 40 and Over workout

Hey, Shari. Maybe Cathe will do a workout for those of us pushing 40 or over. She's the only video instructor out there that I love to work out with. I haven't found anyone else that will do. (I'm a little strange in that I like my instructor to have the kind of body I think I could achieve myself) She's a vivacious exercise dynamo who makes me want to work hard and I don't want a little twinge to stop me from attaining those powerful thighs, strong abs and arms!
We just need a some modification examples, something that would achieve the same results without the discomfort.
 
RE: 40 and Over workout

I feel this too occasionally. What I have done to make it stop (it is bad in my opinion) is to lower my weights just slightly, and to lean slightly forward while doing side lateral raises. I lean forward just enough to change the angle, as if you're headed into doing rear flies (but not nearly). But it's in that direction, just as far as you need to to un-impinge the joint.

Can you picture what I mean? Try it, and see if it helps. But I think I had this less when I was doing the Pure Strength series more often. Maybe we need to do more reps with lower weight, or fewer reps with higher weight. I'm not sure.

One more thing that helps, is to tighten all the surrounding muscles, including the grip around the dumbbell. This seems to support the joints like a binding splint.

HTH till Cathe arrives!

-Connie
 
RE: 40 and Over workout

You know, I can control the cracking and popping as long as I move slowly. I can feel when the joint is about to "crackle" and stop it. But if I keep pace with Cathe, it catches. I guess there's a REASON older people move more slowly, and I'm just going to have to face the fact that I'm not 20 anymore. Oh, well. Better than an injury.

Shari
 
RE: 40 and Over workout

I have Rice Crispies joints too --snap, crackle, pop! I don't worry a great deal as long as there is no sharp pain but I am always listening to my body so I don't injure myself. My left knee snaps and it's nothing but an annoyance. I used to get a very peculiar pop during chest press which originated just under my collar bone which felt almot as if something was "catching" and my shoulder which I was damaged doing Tae Bo, used to complain quite a bit! After a long break, everything is working fine. I realized my shoulder is the one upon which I sleep and my position seems to affect it. I always curl up on my left. I always injure myself on the left and bio-mechanically, I have various weaknesses which don't mean I can't get strong only that I need to progress very carefully and be in tune with my pesky body. I am small-framed and fine limbed with small muscles and I think tht has tremendous bearing on my joints. I would love to hear Cathe weigh in but for the most part I just try to take it easy on my weak spots, using lighter weights for them and progressing just a little more slowly. I get them there but they are laggards! LOL!
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Oh oh, careful!! I started having this problem a couple of years ago and figured it was just old age. Then my shoulders gradually started to hurt more and more. I kept trying different things -- lightening up, modifying the exercises, leaving certain exercises out -- but the pain got progressively worse. Finally, I went to a physiotherapist about a year ago. It turned out that the exercises I had been doing (shoulder presses, anterior raises, lateral raises and sometimes, modified upright rows) had strengthened those muscles at the expense of all my rotator cuff muscles. The sound I was hearing was actually the bones of my upper arm and shoulder running over each other's cartilage due to impingement (bad). My supraspinatus was all but turned off. I had to go through 8 months of physio to retrain my rotator cuffs, stretch my shoulders and "rebalance" my upper torso muscles. I continue to do all my physio exercises twice a week and my shoulders are mostly OK -- however, they will probably always be sensitive. My physiotherapist told me I'd made a big mistake by ignoring my clunking shoulders -- it wasn't age (I'm 42), but rather misalignment and lack of balance in my musculature. I'm not saying this is your problem, but I just have to pass along the warning because you are describing the beginning part of my ordeal pretty much to the letter!

For rear delt raises, I don't think you should be feeling warmth in the areas above the rear delts. You may be using your trapezius muscles rather than the rear delts. (Note -- my trapezius was way overdeveloped when my problem got bad.) How much weight are you using? Can you try dropping the weight a little and see if the warmth stays in the rear delt area?

Also, you should do some exercises for your rotator cuff if you aren't already (internal and external rotators). Cathe does a standard external rotator cuff exercise in one of the S&H videos (possibly other earlier videos too).

Good luck.
 
>Oh oh, careful!! I started having this problem a couple of
>years ago and figured it was just old age. Then my shoulders
>gradually started to hurt more and more. I kept trying
>different things -- lightening up, modifying the exercises,
>leaving certain exercises out -- but the pain got
>progressively worse. Finally, I went to a physiotherapist
>about a year ago. It turned out that the exercises I had been
>doing (shoulder presses, anterior raises, lateral raises and
>sometimes, modified upright rows) had strengthened those
>muscles at the expense of all my rotator cuff muscles. The
>sound I was hearing was actually the bones of my upper arm and
>shoulder running over each other's cartilage due to
>impingement (bad). My supraspinatus was all but turned off.
>I had to go through 8 months of physio to retrain my rotator
>cuffs, stretch my shoulders and "rebalance" my upper torso
>muscles. I continue to do all my physio exercises twice a
>week and my shoulders are mostly OK -- however, they will
>probably always be sensitive. My physiotherapist told me I'd
>made a big mistake by ignoring my clunking shoulders -- it
>wasn't age (I'm 42), but rather misalignment and lack of
>balance in my musculature. I'm not saying this is your
>problem, but I just have to pass along the warning because you
>are describing the beginning part of my ordeal pretty much to
>the letter!

Oh, I hope not. What I'd better do is go see a Dr. to make sure of what it is. At least I can modify the exercises per his or her advice. I'd hate to injure myself just when I'm starting to see progress.
>
>For rear delt raises, I don't think you should be feeling
>warmth in the areas above the rear delts. You may be using
>your trapezius muscles rather than the rear delts. (Note --
>my trapezius was way overdeveloped when my problem got bad.)
>How much weight are you using? Can you try dropping the
>weight a little and see if the warmth stays in the rear delt
>area?

So when you say it's the trapezius muscles, am I raising my arms too high? I use three lbers. right now.
>
>Also, you should do some exercises for your rotator cuff if
>you aren't already (internal and external rotators). Cathe
>does a standard external rotator cuff exercise in one of the
>S&H videos (possibly other earlier videos too).
>
I'll check it out, Thanks!;)

>Good luck.
 
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