Acceptance

JeanneMarie,

No offense taken. If you read my post again, you would see that I said I am happy with my size 4. Then I mentioned that my husband likes curvaceous women. DH looks at me more than I look at myself and I do like that he loves the way I am built. Makes it a win/win for both of us.

I think you jumped to a conclusion about my self worth based on a wrong interpretation of my post. JMHO. No offense meant either.
 
0-2-4: I can't relate to these sizes, or even imagine fitting into them! I've never seen smaller than a size 5 (though I must look smaller than I fit, because back the the day when I wore size 10-12...current-day size 6-8, I had several people not belive what size I wore and think that I was a size 5).

How tall are those of you wearing 0's and 2's and 4's?

Even my stepmother, who is slim and about 5' 2" has worn the same size I wore. Never a 2 or 4.

I think sizes also fit people differently, so someone could look equally as slim as someone else, but wear a larger size.

They should really give sizes another name, like letters? Size A, B, C (though, come to think of it, people would relate those to 'grades' and not want to be a 'D') or something like European sizes that actually reflect something (CM measurements, at least in French sizing) or better yet, something that has nothing that can be translated into a judgement (by self or others) like "size Jane" or " size blue"!

And all sizes should be standard. There's no reason a size 6 in one brand should be the same as a size 4 or 10 in another brand.

As for those ' little sizes," when I was in the Gap the last time (previously, I'd found clothes I liked, but that trip was a bomb!, with so many things I would never wear, like really torn up jeans that looked like they should be thrown out!), there were LOTS of size 0's (but probably the equivalent of a size 2 or 4 in other brands?).
 
Kathryn,

My doctor says I'm 5'2.5" rather than the 5'3" I like to think I am. I'm built on a small scale. If I were 5'6" I would expect to have larger bones and be broader and wear a larger size, without necessarily being "fatter". As a matter of fact, I know many people who are leaner than I am who wear larger sizes. My SIL is an athlete and probably has 12% body fat, but wears a larger size than I do. She's just built on a larger scale. Frankly, I don't think that clothing size means a thing, except where you are comparing to yourself.
-Nancy
 
>I think you jumped to a conclusion about my self worth based
>on a wrong interpretation of my post. JMHO. No offense meant
>either.


Candi -- No, I really didn't question your self worth, I was just puzzled by the comment that your DH likes you a certain way. I just can't relate. My DH likes me any way I am. That was all. I am certain you are happy with yourself. I just didn't understand what your DH had to do with it. Thanks for your explanation. It's all good! :)

>How tall are those of you wearing 0's and 2's and 4's?<

Kathryn,

Speaking for myself, I am 5'7" tall. I wear a zero in pants, but not in tops. I take about a size 2 in tops, or an XS. XXS tops will not fit my shoulders. :)
 
I wear a size 4 and if the style is more narrow, I wear a 6. I am 5'0" and wear small top in Junior sizes or extra small top in Misses.
 
I agree with a lot of the responses above. It's funny, if you've been reading/hearing about how they're using body mass index as a measuring tool at schools and it's freaking kids out because a lot of them are out of the "acceptable" range, and are upset about it, it reminds you of this question of clothing sizes. BMI is a really vague tool because it doesn't take into account what you're actually composed of, so a well-muscled marine could sit down and plug in his stats and the BMI charts would tell him he is overweight. Except that he's 5'8" and 170 pounds of solid muscle. If he then went to a sports clinic that has hydrostatic weighing and floated in the tank, he would probably get completely different results that tell him he has 9% body fat and is in superb physical shape. How confusing.

No matter what the clothing industry says, I don't think there are any standards for clothing sizes that regulate things as tightly as footwear sizes, but I could be wrong about that. And there's so much pressure in our culture about how we look, and it threatens to define who we are if we don't fight it. It seems like I hear all the time from friends and even coworkers this tone of guilt about what they're eating or not eating. Like, I'm sitting at my desk at lunchtime eating a sandwich, and one walks by and says, 'what's that you're eating?' and I say "turkey meatloaf sandwich', and she says, 'God you're so good, always eating healthy, I've got to start eating healthy' And there are similar conversations about working out. And these conversations always leave me feeling vaguely defensive and guilty and I don't know why.

I spent like 15 years of my life stuggling with food and weight stuff and it took at long time to recover from that. I still have to remind myself just about daily that I'm ok just the way I am, especially after someone I've just met makes a resentful comment about how 'healthy' or 'little' I am. I try to tell myself that the size and shape of my body, my eye color, hair color, foot size, and even voice are all governed to a large extent by my DNA, by the splicing of chromosomes that both my parents gave when they conceived the egg that is me. So I'll never have a butt like Jessica Alba even if I work out all day long. And I'll probably never build big muscles because I've observed that neither of my parents do. And I think the body size I am is in my genes too. And that comforts me.

What I really hate is that our culture still defines women's value in their clothing size. Female gymnasts still get their weight listed in the first two sentences of introductory interview description about them. I notice male gymnasts don't. How irritating. And magazines are either cluck-clucking about a star's change in clothing size or publishing articles about how to drop a clothing size. It's really hard not to see it or hear it--I had to stop subscribing to women's magazines for a long time. But I guess it's everywhere so it's hard to avoid completely. But it makes no more sense to expect all women to be within a short range of sizes than it does to walk in the woods and expect that all the songbirds are going to be the same size.

Sorry that was so long.
 
QUOTE: "It's funny, if you've been reading/hearing about how they're using body mass index as a measuring tool at schools and it's freaking kids out because a lot of them are out of the "acceptable" range, and are upset about it... BMI is a really vague tool because it doesn't take into account what you're actually composed of, so a well-muscled marine could sit down and plug in his stats and the BMI charts would tell him he is overweight. Except that he's 5'8" and 170 pounds of solid muscle."

Excellent point about BMI readings! However, as far as kids are concerned, I highly doubt - especially in our society - that many of them are so muscular that it will throw off their readings. And in the case of school jocks, well it would be obvious that they are comprised of more lean tissue. So for the purposes of a general info, it probably works better than a basic bodyweight scale reading (Which would probably upset kids even more).
 
Laura, when my DD shot up and had not filled out yet, she was too tall for girls, and too skinny for Juniors. I found a lot of size zeros at Kohls.
 

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