Questions for Lift, Move & Restore 2 Elevated - Questions??

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Debinmi

Cathlete
Cathe/SNM - I read your email announcing the current tier of the presale will be ending March 31. I have not yet pre-ordered as I have a few questions and was hoping for more details from you before I ordered:

1) You said this series will be "elevated". I found the original LMR to be several 'notches" below your usual intensity - more like 'beginner-friendly' and as you often say "if it doesn't challenge you, it will not change you". The main challenges to me with the original LMR were the balance challenges. I enjoyed the novelty of the fusion workouts, however, I just will not be using them on a regular basis - maybe for recovery workouts or coming back after an illness/injury, but not for my usual Cathe monthly rotations. How elevated will this new series be? You said "slightly" heavier weights will be used - what's that specifically? Will a Cathlete who has been working out with you for years find this challenging (aside from the balance challenges)?

2) The cardio is low-impact, however, what will be the intensity level? Will these be mostly steady state or will there be some intervals and higher intensity?

3) Will the 4 bonus-download weight workouts be chaptered? Will they be filmed in your studio or in the gym like a LIVE? How are they split? Are they "express" workouts? Does the offer of these bonus workouts expire after the price increase?

Please respond before the price increase. Thank you!
 
OK, in a previous post, forum admin stated that the main workouts would be chaptered, as always,....
will the 4 low impact cardio "bonus" workouts be chaptered as well, like the low impact cardio bonus
in LMR? I am hoping so..............it just makes it so much easier to skip a particular move if you don't like
or unable to do, and of course, gives more variety & choices when using the blender.
 
From her post about the cardio bonuses in the series, she does mention one will be HiiT. Not sure about the intensity of the other cardio, though she mentions "options for mixed impact" which would up the intensity.

Good questions - I admit I was assuming something akin to LITE, or possibly ICE for intensity, but I may be entirely wrong.

Don't get me started on businesses having licensing rights to your digital content. I hope Cathe never goes that route (in regards to the bonus downloads question - if you cancel your pre-order. Definitely curious how they'd handle that, though.)
 
Debinmi said:
Debinmi said:
Yes, I was sadly wrong about the original LMR cuz Cathe said they would not be easy by any means ... I made the assumption they would be similar to Cathe's usual intensity, and at least as intense as LITE or ICE - but that wasn't the case IMO. So I'd like more details so as to not be surprised or disappointed. I may/most likely still get them, but at least I'll know and won't be disappointed.
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I knew they were going to be less intense, but they ended up being much easier than I expected. I was assuming maybe a little bit lighter than the Ice Series. I think the elevated program is probably what I was looking for originally. But it would also love more details before purchasing.
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Excellent questions. I found LMR too easy to put in a rotation. I used it once for a recovery week, and again when I had a cold. I also have been on the fence about the new series. How ELEVATED is it, will it be more useful to me than last year's?
Because I already have last year's, and I have LITE and ICE, and I don't need another easy series, to be blunt. Are the bonus weight lifting routines serious or are they going to be in line with LMR?
 
Well, I guess I am the “oddball” here, :), but personally I was satisfied with LMR and
it’s intensity :) and personally hope these are not “fully elevated”...and agreed on the
above, low impact….as far as how heavy the weights will be or not be, I will use the
weights I want & not care a bit…Cathe said something in a recent Live that has stuck
with me…”You do you & I’ll do me!” With aging, back, hip, knee flareups, more often
than I like, I know what I can & cannot do, modify if I need to and enjoy it most of the
time. :)

I did preorder today, but feel that more info on these should be given before presale
ends.
 
Debinmi said:
I enjoy both ICE & LITE and often include them in 12-week long rotations like STS, Xtrain, STS2.0 as recovery/back-off weeks, and whenever I'm looking for less intense. And when I increase the weights used, they can be quite intense - so they're very versatile for me. I'll use LMR in the same way - altho I haven't fully figured out the sweet spot for the weights to use yet.

However, I felt a bit mislead with the hype during the presale of LMR & didn't expect them to be so beginner-friendly. I would like to know what to expect ... a "little" more intense than LMR - like maybe an advanced beginner, or more intermediate along the lines of ICE and LITE?, or something else? I enjoy LMR, but it has its limitations, for me at least.

As I age into my 70's and 80's, I hope to be able to lift as I do in series like STS2, Xtrain, P30, 4DS, etc. I know I can't do impact like I used to, so low impact is appreciated with the options for some mixed. And I know the balance, agility and mobility work is important. I may find LMR2 to be grand and be grateful to have them in the next few decades. I'm just looking for more info on what to expect, so there's no surprises and no disappointment.
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Totally agree!!
 
I pretty much agree with the INTENSITY bit of the discussion. I am expecting a more intense program. How intense? Well more of the 8 reps 10 reps from STS 2 with balance, coordination challenge working unilaterally.
This may sound crazy to some but yes. As I recently mentioned you do you .
As Cathe always say, it's your workout.
 
Debinmi said:
I enjoy both ICE & LITE and often include them in 12-week long rotations like STS, Xtrain, STS2.0 as recovery/back-off weeks, and whenever I'm looking for less intense. And when I increase the weights used, they can be quite intense - so they're very versatile for me. I'll use LMR in the same way - altho I haven't fully figured out the sweet spot for the weights to use yet.

However, I felt a bit mislead with the hype during the presale of LMR & didn't expect them to be so beginner-friendly. I would like to know what to expect ... a "little" more intense than LMR - like maybe an advanced beginner, or more intermediate along the lines of ICE and LITE?, or something else? I enjoy LMR, but it has its limitations, for me at least.

As I age into my 70's and 80's, I hope to be able to lift as I do in series like STS2, Xtrain, P30, 4DS, etc. I know I can't do impact like I used to, so low impact is appreciated with the options for some mixed. And I know the balance, agility and mobility work is important. I may find LMR2 to be grand and be grateful to have them in the next few decades. I'm just looking for more info on what to expect, so there's no surprises and no disappointment.
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Yes, when the pre-sale came out for the first LMR Cathe did indeed say "these won't be easy by any means". However, I personally found the functional weight workouts on the level for a beginner just starting out, and do feel like I was intentionally mislead. I like LMR balance work, mobility, cardio bonus, but I am disappointed with some of the rest.
 
aqua girl said:
Well, I guess I am the “oddball” here, :), but personally I was satisfied with LMR and
it’s intensity :) and personally hope these are not “fully elevated”...and agreed on the
above, low impact….as far as how heavy the weights will be or not be, I will use the
weights I want & not care a bit…Cathe said something in a recent Live that has stuck
with me…”You do you & I’ll do me!” With aging, back, hip, knee flareups, more often
than I like, I know what I can & cannot do, modify if I need to and enjoy it most of the
time. :)

I did preorder today, but feel that more info on these should be given before presale
ends.
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You are not alone - I'm with you - was happy with this series and modify to make them work for me. I'm unable to do the total body workout since I don't like compound moves. I do lower body with no weights. Cardio is no impact for me, if I want to walk pain free. Now I have to work on the hips and lower back to be pain free.

I did order the first or second day.
 
Debinmi said:
An intermediate workout is easier to elevate to more advanced than a beginner workout is (and easy to modify to more beginner-friendly). Yesterday I gave the LMR Barre Fusion workout another chance with increasing the weights (again!) for upper body. In LITE & ICE if I increased by 5#, it really elevated the workout. In LMR, a 5# increase didn't cut it ... even a 8 -15# increase was not enough at times, and as Cathe often says if you don't have a challenging weight you are wasting your time. I ended the workout with the feeling this was a "why bother" type of workout. So disappointing because I love Bootcamp- ish types of workouts - I usually feel worked and accomplished - not so with this one.

So I'm concerned LMR2 is going to have more "why bother" workouts. I would like some more details, please.
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I totally agree with these statements. Increasing or decreasing weights to get more of a challenge or a better workout is possible when the change in weight is not as dramatic as it needs to be in LMR functional weight workouts, and I am not even an advanced level exerciser.
 
Debinmi said:
Just to be clear ... I don't consider myself to be an advanced exerciser altho I mostly do Cathe workouts. And I don't put down beginner-friendly workouts as there is a time and place for everything. Years ago when Cathe did the pre-sales for the Beginner Step & Body Fusion and the Intermediate Step workouts - I bought even though I was a regular stepper who loved complex choreography and more intensity. I knew what I was purchasing and was not surprised nor disappointed because they were advertised as being what they were - beginner & intermediate. I seldom did them but was glad to have them when recovering from injury or illness. I'd like to know the level of intensity for LMR2 so there's no surprises and no disappointment. It would also be nice if they were easier to modify up or down.
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This sums things up nicely. Please Cathe will you address our questions?
 
I agree that the challenge level is not there with LMR - at least most of the workouts. They are VERY beginner-oriented - or - "active aging" perhaps (depending on how you'd define that, though! Like, I feel like my senior parents who've never really been extremely active people would find these workouts challenging.)

And you're right - I do recall her saying somewhere that these would be challenging and not easy. I guess it depends on the audience she's was intending to give that message to? Doesn't quite seem to be her veteran Cath-letes.

I tried out the 8-week rotation to get a good taste of the workouts, and honestly I stopped about 5 weeks in because I was feeling like I was't really doing too much to challenge myself.

I appreciated the workouts, too, though, because I was also coming off a long time-frame of varied inactivity (blaming my tennis elbow for it, but also stress and depression.) So they were good to get me back in the saddle, but definitely not challenging enough to warrant a full 8 weeks dedicated to it.

I'm now doing her LMR/STS 2 rotation, which I feel is still a tad "light", but it's helping me ramp back up to prepare to do a 12-week modified XTrain workout (modified meaning I'm going to be replacing a lot of the cardio with other kickboxing workouts, as well as some steady-state because I get real tired of constant HiiT).

In the current LMR/STS 2 rotation, I'm really enjoying my full body workout days from STS 2, for example. My heart gets up there and I also feel accomplished hefting those heavy weights.

LMR isn't terrible, either - like, I did the bonus lower body foam roller workout a couple days ago and those hamstring bridges on the roller still have my hamstrings barking two days later. And when I up my weights, I do manage to elevate my heart rate with the Lower Body workout and the Total Body workout. But yes, other workouts like Barre, Pilates, Mobility, Upper Body, and Yoga are all very low-intensity. They're more of a "I moved my muscles a little bit today, instead of sitting on the couch" kind of feeling of "accomplishment"

I really wish she'd do a full body balance disc workout. While not heart-pounding, they are VERY challenging with keeping balance. I'm noticing my right leg is doing much better with balance, for instance, after doing several of the lower body balance disc bonuses.

Anyway - yes, hope Cathe can maybe give us a comparison for the new series...

IE, this will be challenging similar to LITE or ICE or XTrain (doubt it would be XTrain, though.)
 
I agree. I think LMR was over-promoted as a challenging program. It is perfect for newer-to-exercise users. Cathe does a great job in explaining the exercises, although I wish she would have talked less in the Restorative Yoga Workout which is pretty much the only w/o I am using.

While adding poundage can definitely make moves harder doing so often makes moves unsafe, so you are stuck in the dilemma of keeping Cathe's speed with lighter weights or slowing down and doing less reps with weights that are challenging and if you do that at what point are you even doing the workout with her?

I wanted LMR to be more movement, more stretching, more complicated balance moves.

I hope we can get more info on what to expect with LMR2. That being said I have preordered, but I hope that when I received LMR2 it doesn't join LMR on the maybe later shelf.
 
I understand “you do you” but the question very much is, “can I do me with this series?” The breaks in LMR are too long. Yes, I can modify adding weight and repetitions, but I can also reach for a series I have that allows me to follow along without having to think a lot. I am tempted by the cardio and the additional heavy weight workouts. but i would very much appreciate a better idea of the intensity of the functional workouts.
 
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