Osteoporosis

conniejj

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Hi All
I'm 55 years old and have been doing Cathe for at least 25 years. I'd consider myself a rather advanced (for a 55-year-old) exerciser, and I try to lift pretty heavy, generally. I've also taken appropriate calcium forever. I just found out that I have severe osteoporosis (-3.7 spine, -2.6 hips). My PCP referred me to an endocrinologist, and I'm waiting for my appointment (3 months). Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out what others in a similar situation have done.
All the exercises I've found for this condition seem to be for beginners who have never lifted and are not really in shape. Does anyone have any advice while I wait (not so) patiently for my appointment?
Oh, and if anyone has done Osteostrong I'd love to hear about it.
Thanks all.
 
Hello! I happened to have gotten my first bone density scan a couple of months ago and have osteopenia, which I'm told is normal at my age (60). I've been doing Cathe for 20 years, which I think has been my saving grace because my body type (thin and slight) is a high risk factor. Wanted to mention the book I'm reading right now, Perfect Bones by Pamela Levin, RN. Very, very eye-opening and specifically addresses osteoporosis. She mentions people who have incredibly porous bones from their 20s (which is likely due to nutritional poverty) and break or fracture at the slightest activity, and maintains that you can vastly improve your bone health by supplementing with specific things. Good luck. Please post and let us know what you find.
 
endocrinology is very complicated. our bodies work with a "feedback"echanism where hormones secreted by one gland influence how others function. I am seeing an endocrinologist because my calcium is running slightly high, possibly related to the parathryoid glands. I was directed to take less calcium. I was taking minimal amounts. my diet contains a reasonable amount of calcium. many supplements contain vitamin e also. I don't understand it so I can't explain understand why just taking more doesnt help. sometimes its not a simple equation of "you take this much because you need this much".
follow up with Endocrinology, be honest about vitamins and supplements. take a written list with you. also current meds. Im way older and have minor bone loss. my situation might end up meaning nothing but I dont know.

I would call the endo office and ask if they keep a 'cancellation list" to move your appt forward if someone cancels. lots of offices do this, some you need to call them, others notify you. endocrinology appts are long and detailed in my limited experience and seem to have long wait times. . there is a group of meds called bisphosphonates that might come up. I would reduce high impact activity until you get some good information. for myself I continue reasonable cardio and weights. good luck with this.
 
Hi All
I'm 55 years old and have been doing Cathe for at least 25 years. I'd consider myself a rather advanced (for a 55-year-old) exerciser, and I try to lift pretty heavy, generally. I've also taken appropriate calcium forever. I just found out that I have severe osteoporosis (-3.7 spine, -2.6 hips). My PCP referred me to an endocrinologist, and I'm waiting for my appointment (3 months). Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out what others in a similar situation have done.
All the exercises I've found for this condition seem to be for beginners who have never lifted and are not really in shape. Does anyone have any advice while I wait (not so) patiently for my appointment?
Oh, and if anyone has done Osteostrong I'd love to hear about it.
Thanks all.
Well, I'm not a doctor or expert of any kind, so please take what I say here & research for yourself, talk to your health care professionals & get their input regarding what I say here as well. As I've aged, & because I ended up with a lot of joint issues, I was concerned about bone loss. What I've learned is that osteoporosis isn't just a lack of calcium but is actually that the calcium is not going to the right places. We absolutely need D3 to help us absorb calcium & it is vital that we have K2 to move the calcium into the bones where it belongs. Otherwise, it ends up in the arteries which leads to calcification in the arteries. We also need other trace minerals (magnesium, boron, zinc, potassium, manganese & copper). So just taking calcium supplements alone won't really help much. And of course, weight bearing exercise is also a must, especially as we age. Vitamin A & Vitamin C are also important, as well as supporting the liver & gallbladder (since Vitamin A, D3 & K2 are fat soluble). One other thing, as we go into menopause, the drop in estrogen is an issue. In my case, I can't do hormone replacement due to 3 high risk factors. What I've learned regarding the hormones is that the adrenal glands are supposed to take over for the ovaries, so we need to support the adrenal glands. Increases in cortisol is also an issue, so stress reduction is important. And finally, getting sugars, including hidden sugars, out of the diet is crucial because it depletes vital nutrients as well as driving insulin resistance. Check any supplements for Maltodextrin, which is a common additive in supplements & processed foods. It's extremely high on the glycemic index & has no place whatsoever in our diets. I also avoid seed oils. Again, please check with your health care professionals regarding anything I've mentioned here.
 
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Are you aware of any bone-support supplements that have these vitamins & minerals. It would be convenient to have an all-in-one supplement or at least having it reduced to a few pills to take. Seems with all the need, there would be some manufacturer that made a good one.
Please you may want to ask your health care professionals. But there are several supplements that offer D3 & K2 together in the right ratios. I just did a quick search on Amazon & there are several. Just be sure to check the ingredients & make sure there's no Maltodextrin in them. Also, I use a sugar free electrolyte powder which gives me my electrolytes in the correct ratios. Calcium is included in those electrolytes. The one I'm trying at the moment is Dr. Berg's electrolyte powder, mainly because it has more potassium than others I've tried. I like the lemonade one. (Avoid those pathetic sugary drinks like Gatorade.) You can also find several Trace Mineral Complex supplements. I don't know of any that all come in one supplement. But taking the lemonade electrolyte powder, trace mineral complex, & D3+K2 is only 3, so I don't feel like I'm using a whole bunch of supplements.
 
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my Healthcare provider interesting because I've asked every provider I've had since the early 90's and a few registered dieticians colleagues and they all hedge on recommendations - they typically say to take good ones but won't elaborate or recommend the "good" ones - ha!
THIS!
Why recommend we take one, if they're effective, if you can't stand by a recommendation..?
 
Yes! Although I will note every R.D. said we should get all we need from our diet. But I think that's quite a big should as most Americans diets are not that nutrient rich. Researching the bio-availability of various supplement ingredients for personal use could become a full-time job! So many name brand multivitamins use cheap ingredients that are not bio-available - but I still take one thinking I may get some micro-doses (in addition to my other supplements).
I admit it is hard wading through all of the junk that's out there to choose from. I do also agree that it's better to get our nutrients from food instead of supplements. When I started this healthy eating journey, I took things one at a time. My first step was to eliminate sugars from my diet. I started reading ingredients & learning what the hidden sugars are named. Then I moved on to trying to eliminate seed oils from my diet. Then reducing carbs, adding real butter, whole eggs, fatty meat, wild caught sea food, etc. The supplements I take regularly are electrolytes, trace minerals, & D3+K2. I also use nutritional yeast to ensure I get all the B's. I really feel the difference if I quit the electrolytes & nutritional yeast. I don't take multivitamins because I think I'm getting what I need from my diet. I RARELY eat out & can't remember the last time I had fast food. And I don't by ultra-processed packaged "foods." I can honestly say I feel better in my 60's than I did in my 40's.

I say check with your health care providers because of any conditions, illnesses, meds you might be on, etc. One size does NOT fit all, in my humble opinion. And even though I'm a retired nurse, I am not qualified to give health advice. All I can do is share my own health journey.

I just had blood tests for the first time in 8 years, & everything was totally normal except my cholesterol. However, my ratios were so good that the slight elevation of total cholesterol is not an issue. I believe the diet & nutritional changes I've been making have a lot to do with that.

It's very challenging to eat healthy when so much of the food is just crap. But as my sister says, "I'm not going down without a fight."
 
When I started this healthy eating journey, I took things one at a time. My first step was to eliminate sugars from my diet. I started reading ingredients & learning what the hidden sugars are named. Then I moved on to trying to eliminate seed oils from my diet. Then reducing carbs, adding real butter, whole eggs, fatty meat, wild caught sea food, etc.
Oh my goodness, we actually started this way...but in the OPPOSITE direction as you, lol! (Began with the protein sources then went from there).
We also eliminated anything we could to reduce other ingredients like sweeteners, carageenan, BHA, BHT, MSG and salt. So much hidden crap. Guarding your diet from these things plus excess salt, hidden sugars, seed oils alone would keep anyone busy!! Things keep getting added and you have to constantly read labels o_O
It's very challenging to eat healthy when so much of the food is just crap. But as my sister says, "I'm not going down without a fight."
Your sister speaks our rallying cry!! :cool:
 
Well said! We eat pretty much the same. We were discussing around the holidays that sometimes we do miss eating out for the change in ambiance. But their use of industrial seed oils and MSG is a deterrent. And now that we're retired we have the time to cook & actually enjoy it and love the results. We are low-carbers as I have a sensitivity/intolerance to gluten, but it's interesting that we've come to enjoy substituting low carb veggies for high carb pastas. We do miss homemade bread but do like our substitutes. Last night we had pizza casserole - all our favorite toppings plus added veggies - no crust - it's become a favorite Friday night meal.
Yep! You're on the same healthy eating journey I am!
 
Oh my goodness, we actually started this way...but in the OPPOSITE direction as you, lol! (Began with the protein sources then went from there).
We also eliminated anything we could to reduce other ingredients like sweeteners, carageenan, BHA, BHT, MSG and salt. So much hidden crap. Guarding your diet from these things plus excess salt, hidden sugars, seed oils alone would keep anyone busy!! Things keep getting added and you have to constantly read labels o_O

Your sister speaks our rallying cry!! :cool:
Yes!!! We're fighters for our health!!!!! That's why we enjoy Cathe workouts!!!!!

I'm also always trying to look out for all those preservatives & additives. I have found for myself though, that if I don't get enough salt, my migraines triple. I think it has something to do with the sodium/ potassium pump in the cells?
 
I am sorry you are having to deal with this. Waiting for more information and not being able to see a specialist for 3 months must be very hard.

I was in a very similar situation - longtime exerciser, lifting weights and doing cardio - surprised when a Dexascan in my 50s revealed significant osteopenia. Turns out the cause was one of my parathyroid glands. I'm not a doctor, but based on your numbers being so low despite excellent care of your body, it sounds like this could be what's going on. There only needs to be one of your four glands to go haywire for your body to think it needs more calcium despite getting high amounts of dietary calcium. Where does it take it from? Your bones. I had a parathyroidectomy more than a dozen years ago and my calcium levels returned to normal pretty quickly.

Again, not a doctor, but for now I would avoid high impact moves that might place too much stress on your spine. Lifting weights is good for the bones! Listen to your body and hang in there.
 
Hi All
I'm 55 years old and have been doing Cathe for at least 25 years. I'd consider myself a rather advanced (for a 55-year-old) exerciser, and I try to lift pretty heavy, generally. I've also taken appropriate calcium forever. I just found out that I have severe osteoporosis (-3.7 spine, -2.6 hips). My PCP referred me to an endocrinologist, and I'm waiting for my appointment (3 months). Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out what others in a similar situation have done.
All the exercises I've found for this condition seem to be for beginners who have never lifted and are not really in shape. Does anyone have any advice while I wait (not so) patiently for my appointment?
Oh, and if anyone has done Osteostrong I'd love to hear about it.
Thanks all.
I'm 55 and going in to do my first scan Saturday. I've been on thyroid meds for years. This has me concerned. I will let you know what I find out and any suggestions from the team for you when I'm there. I hate that you have to weight 3 months. I know it can be reversed. I know with meds your bones can get stronger. We have an Osteostrong here and I have heard positive things about it.
 
Hi All
I'm 55 years old and have been doing Cathe for at least 25 years. I'd consider myself a rather advanced (for a 55-year-old) exerciser, and I try to lift pretty heavy, generally. I've also taken appropriate calcium forever. I just found out that I have severe osteoporosis (-3.7 spine, -2.6 hips). My PCP referred me to an endocrinologist, and I'm waiting for my appointment (3 months). Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out what others in a similar situation have done............
So sorry to hear that you’re dealing with this problem at this young age. I’m going to share what I’m doing (and why) to help preserve bone density in the hope that it can help others. I’m looking at some of my friends who are older than me and I know I don’t want to become so frail. I’ll fight it with everything that science has to offer. This post is more about what needs to be taken out rather than added to the diet to maintain healthier bones. For a reference, I’m less than a year older than Cathe and I’ve been using her workouts for over 30 years. I figured as long as she can do it, I can do at least some, if not all of it. I give her full credit for keeping us going with more challenging workout over the years.

Apologies for the long message. The subject is complicated and this is a summary.

This is what I'm doing to maintain bone density:

Reduce Sodium:
I knew that controlling salt intake is the most important factor to reducing calcium and magnesium loss (doctor's advice). The body can’t store much sodium and it ends up losing potassium, Ca and Mg in the process of eliminating excess table salt. The process varies in different people. We’ve been on a low salt diet (maximum of 2 gr a day) for about 10 years now. We had to give up eating out except on rare occasions and we cook everything from scratch. No packaged food. So far reducing salt has worked very well.

Reduce oxalates from food: Recently, I started reading about oxalate and the stress they cause to the entire body. I realized by trying to eat healthy I’ve been overloading on oxalates. Oxalic acid is present in many of the healthy foods we eat. It is also produced in the body as a waste product and is removed by the kidneys in the urine. It binds with high affinity to minerals like Ca and Mg in the intestinal tract and in the kidneys and removes them from circulation. It can lead to kidney stones in some people. Excess oxalates that are left in the body get stored in all the tissues with 68% ending up in our bones.

Our bones hold most of our Ca/Mg which are used to help maintain the osmolarity of the blood (balance of ion concentration). Think of them as a 24hr ATM for Ca and Mg. The only problem is that it is much easier to take CA/Mg out (break down bone tissue) than it is to replenish them (rebuild bone tissues). Both processes happen at the same time all the time, but the breakdown happens much faster and much more frequently. Over a lifetime, it leaves us with depleted weaker bones. This seems the best explanation for why people who are doing everything right are still having problems with bone density.

Oxalates are very high in many healthy foods like spinach, beet greens, swiss chard, parsley, chives, celery, various beans, soy, sesame, almonds, cashews, etc. Even food that are considered moderate in oxalates are still very high. I realized that my family’s diet is very high in oxalate as we eat a Mediterranean diet, heavy on vegetarian food. I was eating more than a gram of oxalate a day, more than 10X the recommended amount for a healthy diet. Even with supplementing with Ca/Mg, vitamins D and K2, I was doing a lot of damage to my body and I was starting to feel it. The oxalates had to go. I'm changing the way I eat and the way I cook to reduce daily oxalate load.

I’ve also increased my water intake even though I’ve always drank plenty of water and I started adding electrolytes. I don’t buy prepacked electrolytes because I don’t want any of the additives and flavorings. I use potassium citrate powder with a small amount of calcium carbonate (5:1 ratio) and a splash of lemon juice. Our bodies need about 5 gr of potassium (K) and 1 gr of calcium per day. I add 1.5 gr of K from the citrate powder. The main reason for the electrolytes is to add citrates and carbonates which are the body’s main buffering system. The goal is to increase urine pH to ~6.5 to make it easier for the kidneys to get rid of toxins including oxalates. This is only needed by people who have more acidic urine (below 6.0). I also started to take a low dose Ca/Mg supplement with every meal. The logic here is if oxalic acid binds to Ca/Mg in the GI track, its absorption into the bloodstream is reduced. If it has access to supplemental Ca, the hope is it may use a little less of the endogenous minerals, less stress on the bones.

Now the bad news: there is no reliable oxalate data for most foods. Even PubMed searches don’t give much data. There is a list of oxalates in food from Harvard medical school and another from the University of Chicago that seem to have some real-world data to support them. This is what I'm using. There are many conflicting lists on the internet. It’s been a guessing game on some of the food I eat. I’m aiming to limit oxalate from food to 200mg per day.

Oxalates are something to consider if you’re trying to preserve bone density.
 
So sorry to hear that you’re dealing with this problem at this young age. I’m going to share what I’m doing (and why) to help preserve bone density in the hope that it can help others. I’m looking at some of my friends who are older than me and I know I don’t want to become so frail. I’ll fight it with everything that science has to offer. This post is more about what needs to be taken out rather than added to the diet to maintain healthier bones. For a reference, I’m less than a year older than Cathe and I’ve been using her workouts for over 30 years. I figured as long as she can do it, I can do at least some, if not all of it. I give her full credit for keeping us going with more challenging workout over the years.

Apologies for the long message. The subject is complicated and this is a summary.

This is what I'm doing to maintain bone density:

Reduce Sodium:
I knew that controlling salt intake is the most important factor to reducing calcium and magnesium loss (doctor's advice). The body can’t store much sodium and it ends up losing potassium, Ca and Mg in the process of eliminating excess table salt. The process varies in different people. We’ve been on a low salt diet (maximum of 2 gr a day) for about 10 years now. We had to give up eating out except on rare occasions and we cook everything from scratch. No packaged food. So far reducing salt has worked very well.

Reduce oxalates from food: Recently, I started reading about oxalate and the stress they cause to the entire body. I realized by trying to eat healthy I’ve been overloading on oxalates. Oxalic acid is present in many of the healthy foods we eat. It is also produced in the body as a waste product and is removed by the kidneys in the urine. It binds with high affinity to minerals like Ca and Mg in the intestinal tract and in the kidneys and removes them from circulation. It can lead to kidney stones in some people. Excess oxalates that are left in the body get stored in all the tissues with 68% ending up in our bones.

Our bones hold most of our Ca/Mg which are used to help maintain the osmolarity of the blood (balance of ion concentration). Think of them as a 24hr ATM for Ca and Mg. The only problem is that it is much easier to take CA/Mg out (break down bone tissue) than it is to replenish them (rebuild bone tissues). Both processes happen at the same time all the time, but the breakdown happens much faster and much more frequently. Over a lifetime, it leaves us with depleted weaker bones. This seems the best explanation for why people who are doing everything right are still having problems with bone density.

Oxalates are very high in many healthy foods like spinach, beet greens, swiss chard, parsley, chives, celery, various beans, soy, sesame, almonds, cashews, etc. Even food that are considered moderate in oxalates are still very high. I realized that my family’s diet is very high in oxalate as we eat a Mediterranean diet, heavy on vegetarian food. I was eating more than a gram of oxalate a day, more than 10X the recommended amount for a healthy diet. Even with supplementing with Ca/Mg, vitamins D and K2, I was doing a lot of damage to my body and I was starting to feel it. The oxalates had to go. I'm changing the way I eat and the way I cook to reduce daily oxalate load.

I’ve also increased my water intake even though I’ve always drank plenty of water and I started adding electrolytes. I don’t buy prepacked electrolytes because I don’t want any of the additives and flavorings. I use potassium citrate powder with a small amount of calcium carbonate (5:1 ratio) and a splash of lemon juice. Our bodies need about 5 gr of potassium (K) and 1 gr of calcium per day. I add 1.5 gr of K from the citrate powder. The main reason for the electrolytes is to add citrates and carbonates which are the body’s main buffering system. The goal is to increase urine pH to ~6.5 to make it easier for the kidneys to get rid of toxins including oxalates. This is only needed by people who have more acidic urine (below 6.0). I also started to take a low dose Ca/Mg supplement with every meal. The logic here is if oxalic acid binds to Ca/Mg in the GI track, its absorption into the bloodstream is reduced. If it has access to supplemental Ca, the hope is it may use a little less of the endogenous minerals, less stress on the bones.

Now the bad news: there is no reliable oxalate data for most foods. Even PubMed searches don’t give much data. There is a list of oxalates in food from Harvard medical school and another from the University of Chicago that seem to have some real-world data to support them. This is what I'm using. There are many conflicting lists on the internet. It’s been a guessing game on some of the food I eat. I’m aiming to limit oxalate from food to 200mg per day.

Oxalates are something to consider if you’re trying to preserve bone density.
I totally agree about the oxalates. I even know of a lady who got oxalate poisoning & has little "crystals" come out of her skin. That's the most extreme case I've heard of but yikes!

I know too much salt is not good, as anything in imbalance isn't. However, in my case, if I reduce my salt intake, my migraines explode EVERY SINGE TIME. It has to do with the sodium-potassium pump in the cells. But what I also figured out is that I need to get enough potassium every day. All of this is such a journey of learning, researching, & listening to my body.

But we never give up, right?
 
This makes a lot! We freeze half, sometimes in thirds. Makes for an easy meal when frozen. Adjust ingredients to your preferences.

Pizza Sauce – adapted from Maria Emerich (sp?) ETA: the sauce ingredients need to be 1.5 to doubled to have enough for the casserole. Unless you half the ingredients for the casserole recipe.
¾- 1 cup tomato sauce ~3-4 oz
3 TB Parmesan cheese
2 tsp Italian seasoning or Pizza seasoning
1 tsp garlic powder
1 tsp onion powder
1/4 tsp black pepper
¼ tsp salt

Low Carb Pizza Supreme Casserole – adapted from Dot-to-Trot
1# ground beef or pork, cooked and fat drained – add Sausage Seasoning, Red Pepper flakes
1.5 oz Pepperoni (half chopped for inside; half left whole for topping)
I TB Italian Seasoning
1 Tsp Minced Garlic
½ Tsp Red Pepper Flakes
½ tsp Salt
2 or 3 Bell Peppers, any color (OR use 2 bags of frozen)
½ - 1 cup Chopped Onion
8oz or 2 cups sliced mushrooms, sauté if fresh
1 bag frozen cut spinach – thawed & squeezed dry (or chop fresh spinach)
3.5 oz Sliced Black Olives
1 Cup Mozzarella cheese, shredded
½ Cup Cheddar Cheese, shredded
¼ Cup Parmesan Cheese, shredded for topping
~14 oz Pizza Sauce or Tomato Sauce, seasoned appropriately (see Maria E’s seasoning above)

Brown meat in LARGEST fry pan. Add seasonings, salt, hot pepper flakes. Drain fat.
Add onion, bell peppers, garlic, shrooms & sauté til tender. (We no longer saute them - we just add them raw to the casserole).
In LARGEST mixing bowl, add meat/veggie mixture, pizza sauce, spinach, black olives, chopped pepperoni – mix well to combine. Add half of the mozzarella.
Place mixture in 2 or 3 greased 8x8 or 1.5 quart casserole dishes. Top with rest of Mozzarella, Cheddar Cheese. Top with remaining Pepperoni slices & Parmesan cheese.

Wrap & Freeze one or two casseroles for another day.

Bake at 425 degrees for 15-20 minutes until hot all the way through. Alternatively bake at 400 degrees for 20-25 minutes. Let sit for 5 minutes before serving.

If FROZEN, will take longer to bake.

Enjoy!

@Debinmi thank you for the pizza casserole idea!
I did change it up a bit to look more like a pizza.
I added only a little bit of the sauce to my combination of hamburger and sausage meat and using as the base. I poured most of the sauce on top of the meat, then added the cheese layer, then the veggies and pepperoni as toppings. Finally, just a bit more cheese scattered over the veggies.

Gives the feel of a pizza so thank you so much for the idea.
My husband has asked for it every week and no leftovers :p
 
I'm 55 years old and have been doing Cathe for at least 25 years. I'd consider myself a rather advanced (for a 55-year-old) exerciser, and I try to lift pretty heavy, generally. I've also taken appropriate calcium forever. I just found out that I have severe osteoporosis (-3.7 spine, -2.6 hips). My PCP referred me to an endocrinologist, and I'm waiting for my appointment (3 months). Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out what others in a similar situation have done.
All the exercises I've found for this condition seem to be for beginners who have never lifted and are not really in shape. Does anyone have any advice while I wait (not so) patiently for my appointment?
Oh, and if anyone has done Osteostrong I'd love to hear about it.
Thanks all.

I am in the same boat, Conniejj! My T scores are almost the same as yours. I too eat well and have done impact and resistance training for years (thanks to Cathe) and did everything 'right' in terms of preventing osteoporosis. My GP couldn't even figure out why I was losing bone mass so rapidly. But my endocrinologist said it is largely genetic in my case. Perhaps for you too?

I totally agree that most recommendations are for people who don't do the type and intensity of exercise that we as Catheletes are used to doing. I found it frustrating at first. But then my physical therapist and endocrinologist said that I can continue to do some impact activity (in fact, they recommend it) and to lift fairly heavy. I don't put heavy barbells on my back, but I can continue to do squats, lunges, overhead presses, etc. with dumbbells. The big thing they recommended was to not go to end range on flexibility moves. So I don't over do twists and forward folds, for example.

I am in the process of locating and setting up an appointment with a Bonefit certified physical therapist or fitness instructor. I think that will give me the individualized support I need from someone qualified. Here is the map of where to find Bonefit trained professionals. https://bonefit.ca/bonefit-map-locator/

If you want to check out some info on the newer recommendations on exercise, look up the Liftmor trials that have been done in Austraila - spoiler alert - high impact exercise and intense resistance training exercise is helpful, as longs as someone has monitored that form is on point. Or, check out this systematic review of the literature published in 2023. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9990535/

Good luck! Let us know how things went when you saw your endocrinologist, Conniejj.
 

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